The Reel Study

Welcome to the real study with your hosts, Mr. Smithbits.

I was pleasant, I surprised.

Black girl Marvel.

I cried and I think that was hilarious.

Tyler the filmmaker.

It's like so much stuff.

Like nowadays it's, you know, you got A-shot, B-shot.

All the movie things.

There's some great like wide shots in this.

Janine DeBean.

And the chubbiter?

They just kind of look like they were having fun

and doing their own thing.

Produced by Iina.

And the real study movie voice guy.

But this was the first time where I got to see it like,

hold it away where I was like, oh man.

Let's go to the poster wall.

Hello and welcome to the real study.

My name is Mr. Snibbits and with me is always

this black girl, Marvel, Janine DeBean,

and all the movie things.

And we are here to talk about two all-female lead

and directed films, The Kitchen and Fresh Kills.

In a couple of weeks, we are going to be going into an 80s

fantasy world.

And we're going to be doing The Golden Child.

And what was the other one?

Big trouble in Little China is a combo we're going to be doing.

So that should be fun.

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So before we get into our two films about the mafia from a female perspective or from a female

bend, if you will, if you're talking about the kitchen, we do also movies that we all watch this

week. But there is one little not news, but just a buzz that's been happening about a show

that is kind of different than most shows.

Not in its content, but in the way it's shot. And I thought we could talk about adolescence.

So let's, I guess, move over to the news wall and we can talk about adolescence.

Now it's time for the real news.

So, adolescence is a show that's on Netflix that is out now. If you guys haven't

checked it out, I've heard nothing but great things about it. But what caught my attention was what

everybody was talking about when it comes to the way this show is shot, which is

every episode is in is a one shot is a one or if you will, which is really wild considering

it's not a bottle show. It doesn't take place in like one location. It actually spans multiple

locations, car rides, et cetera. And it's one seamless shot. So it's, it's kind of nuts that

that they're able to do this, but they're doing it with drone technology, which is really unique

where they're doing, you know, handheld cameras and then attaching those to drones and, and

even the camera people kind of have their marks, if you will, where they're ready to go.

You can imagine the reset on a shot for this show would be a nightmare. But I really wanted to hear

what you guys think. Could you heard of this? Brian, I know you're a huge into cameras, so I wanted

to see what you guys all thought of. Never heard of it, but I was thinking of, yeah, I mean, either.

Yeah. Yeah. I've been here in a lot of buzz about this too, mostly from that perspective of

how it shot this way. And a lot of the stuff you mentioned to the techniques aren't necessarily

new. Like 1917 used all this same kind of stuff. And I watched a lot of the behind the scenes

and making of that. So it's really fascinating to watch. You know, camera, kind of like camera

department, like have to, yeah, and they do have like their marks and everything. And they've got

to be kind of like on it on the camera, be able to take it off of like a gimp or off of like say a

crane, you know, the gov like you're the crane shot. But then that's like immediately take the

camera off and put it on to something else or like move it onto like a vehicle because there's

like another crazy shot that they got to do that's moving and then be able to put it onto like

a gimbal and do like a steady cam kind of thing, you know, like all these, it's just crazy. Yeah,

or like you mentioned, put on a drone and then suddenly we're doing like aerials, you know,

yeah, because you could get above the cars, right? Or you can get like whatever you need.

You could have that take the place of the helicopter that they would normally use.

Right. Exactly. That's really interesting.

So yeah, it's really interesting to implement that in a kind of episodic kind of way.

Yeah. Yeah. And hopefully, oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, because I mean, even shooting a scene in

an understanding way is tough because it takes everyone has to be on their A game.

Everything has to be like perfect. And if the one thing, one little thing goes wrong from

you know, anyone then like boom, maybe there's like a start over again.

Lovers don't need to be asked or asked. Yeah. So there's probably like a sense of choreography

from every one. Yeah. 100%. And you were person like a play for that reason.

They go through it a few times to make sure I would love to see the rehearsal process just from

my own actor perspective. I would love to just sit in on it. I ain't got to do nothing. Let me just

sit in the corner. Right. Let me just watch. I'm a fly in the wall. The director of the show

did an interview on Colbert where he was asked like, well, what do you do if like Brian just said

somebody screws up and he said, if it's like a natural like slip of the dialogue and it feels

natural, they leave it. They just keep moving because right now. But if they like they said in the

first episode, the lights and the police station went out so they had to stop and reset everything.

And so what you see in episode one is the second take. But he said on the final episode,

it was their 14th take. Yeah, yeah. That's a lot. But I imagine 1917 had the same kind of thing going

on like that's that's a two-hour film, you know, and you're doing heavy duty like the reset on 1917,

especially with all the pyrotechnics and all that. Well, the thing with I don't know how it was

with adolescents. I've been seeing the show. But also with 1917 and with Birdman as well. It's

all stitched, you know, it's not actually one long take. So I, but it is a bunch of longer

takes. It's like, they do like a series of winners to help to stitch it together to make it look like

a one-long one. So I would imagine this what they're doing here, but I mean they could be doing

the whole show the whole episode. It sounds like the whole episode without their claiming is that

they're not doing any stitch. It's literally a full one for the whole episode. That's like an hour

long around, you know, right? Yeah, I think it is, I think it is an 45 or 50 minute show or something.

That's awesome. Yeah. It is. And then it's got to be, but at the same time, this means somebody's

now going to be like, well, we got to be, we got to up this and we're going to do this with a two and

a half hour film straight through. And somebody's going to try it. I mean, yeah. I mean,

you kind of have to stitch it. There's too much action and too much other things going on.

That like, I mean, like that one that, that like big final scene where like our lead characters

like running across the field and he trips, like that was not, that was an act that he wasn't supposed

to do that. And what they kept rolling, and it's in the movie, like when, you know, they,

but on a war, you know, in a war, yeah, you're gonna trip sometimes like, people trip.

I don't know if anything else. The texture's got fired, but actually,

um, um, it's a story that no one tripped in the war.

Never. Oh, especially one World War One, nobody tripped.

No, nobody trips in any war. That is wildly.

So that's in no worse. Okay.

Yeah. That's a bit much. I'm with you. I'm with you. I love it.

So yeah, check out out of lessons. If you hadn't, it sounds like the panel is probably

gonna trick it out now as well. So that's pretty cool.

I get really fascinated when it becomes, you know, behind the camera stuff.

That's the worst thing about streaming being the means to watch anything.

Is I don't know about anything unless I look so much with trailer.

But I don't know about anything. So it's just like,

Sneity, I come over here like, is you hear about this? I'm like, no,

yeah, because I learned about it through TikTok.

So I'm not taking the credit on this.

Yeah.

Because that's the, that's the new thing about this show, let alone like

learning about all the innovation that's going on.

Right.

It means super interesting.

Like I think I was seeing something about that HBO show,

the pit and I didn't even realize that each,

each episode is just an hour of this long one shift.

So we're not like different day.

Right.

Yeah.

So I thought that's really cool.

I didn't know that.

Yeah.

And then it's in that, and I don't need it on some like TikTok.

It makes me want to watch that even more because I look,

I'll watch anything I want to liaise in like anything he touches.

I'm like, well, he's back doing medical stuff, right?

I take a can of art.

Exactly.

I'm like, let me take a gander.

I've said I'll watch anything.

Yep.

They said it's very accurate.

It says very accurate.

So I really want to see it.

I'm not sure I can handle these medical dramas getting more

and more accurate.

I already have panic attacks as it is.

I don't need it.

No, sure.

You know, like, oh, they're missing half their body.

And they're alive.

OK.

I'll say it.

Because, yes, I love beer.

It's a beer dip.

No.

Yes.

You feel me, the beer, baby.

Oh, OK.

I'm sorry.

That is perched me up a little bit.

I'm so tired.

But the dough is widely.

OK.

Love it.

Going back to adolescence.

I've heard a lot of good thing about that young actor too.

It's like one of his first roles or something.

And he's like killing it.

Like he shot up to like everybody's searching his rough now

because he's doing so well.

And that's what that's what happens when you put like new faces,

new talent, new, new, I mean, I'm not saying he's in a sense.

Like he's fresh and new.

I'm pretty sure he's been working for a little bit or at least getting,

you know, he's like, he did.

So he can be.

Yeah, he's like 11 or 12, I guess maybe 13 if he's out of lessons, maybe

13.

But that's what happens when you put new talent up there.

Because like Daniel Rackliffe was 11 at a time and, you know,

and doing what he was doing.

So it's like, I love new talent.

So I will be.

But that that that was magic.

Them finding Danny right.

You know what?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Go to sleep, sir.

You don't need to do.

Go to sleep.

Oh, I don't even know how to sleep.

I'm going to sleep.

I mean, technically, technically, I will say this.

I can't stand it.

I'm going to say this.

You are technically correct.

It is magic because they could they are.

I'm encouraged.

This lock.

I can't help it.

I'm praying.

I can't help it.

They audition for Harry Potter, like, of like so many kids.

And they couldn't find anybody.

And then the director of the first one just happened to see him,

like, remember him from when he was like in a brick, like a BBC movie.

It was like, that kid come in because they were like, he has pointing eyes.

Like, he had like, I literally what he said.

And he was like, oh, get that dude from like, I don't just like Harry Potter.

Like, go get him.

Just like Harry Potter.

Yeah.

I think it was David Copperfield.

David Copperfield here.

Oh, man.

That's right.

That was the movie.

Yeah.

You're right.

You can't stand it.

You're right.

But you're right.

Hey, hey, I just thought it was a great pun because it is like the fact that he

found such an actor like because we all know he has the chops.

Like he.

It wasn't just Harry Potter.

Like he's proving his chops.

And again, I'm going to do this because anytime he's brought up, I have to ask.

If you haven't watched Weird, please watch Weird because Danny Radcliffe as Weird,

he's phenomenal.

And that is the most ridiculous and perfect film ever made.

It is the greatest film ever made.

Let's be very clear about that.

That's what the movie wants you to know is that is the greatest film ever.

So it wants you to know.

And it's the parody basically.

It is his song.

I don't get it.

It was a parody version of a biopic.

And his life.

Which means you can't trust anything.

Right.

Right.

That's the perfect way to make a weird out.

Like, I don't see it.

Yeah, I see it.

Make it, I mean, I would explain.

I wouldn't make it exactly right.

Danny Radcliffe even was like, you want me to do what?

And he's like, read the script.

Okay, I know this sounds, I know I'm extremely tall and you're not.

I've long hair.

You don't like.

Please, read the script.

And he was like, oh, I see what you're doing.

Okay.

Yeah, I'm in.

I'm in a really good way.

Yeah.

It really is perfection.

Maybe I'm into ads.

How long have you known Danny Radcliffe?

Why does it call him Danny?

Yeah, I'm just curious.

I change actors' names a lot.

I call...

So you call him Danny?

You see him Danny Radcliffe?

Do you ride?

I don't believe you ever said that.

You'd be like, Danny, I'm gonna be right.

But no, the two brothers,

oh god, why do I not remember their name?

One of them, everybody hates now.

Why? This is really seriously slipping my mind.

Panipolix-Fress, not Seth Rogen.

Yes, so I don't say Dave Franco.

I say baby Franco.

I always called him baby Franco.

Because when I first saw him, he was like a kid next to his brother.

And like, now he's turned out better in this guitar.

He's got a little Franco now.

Like he's the Franco now.

He is.

And I'm trying to like just call him Franco.

Let him grow up, man.

Let him grow up.

Some of them take forever.

Like Leo and Danny and others.

They still look young.

Well, not Leo anymore.

I'll say the moment I saw Leo and the baby in the in the dead in the dead body,

with the belly, I was like, that's a grown man right there.

But do you remember when that moment was?

Because I was looking at definitely maybe with Ryan Reynolds the other day.

And I was like, he looks like Ryan Reynolds from

buying the cow, which is really weird.

Because I always thought he looked much younger and skinnier.

But now we have old Ryan Reynolds, well, not old, sorry, Ryan.

We have sort of older Ryan Reynolds.

And you look at him from 2008, you're like, oh, God, he's a kid in 2008.

So it's just weird.

Anyway, that's the news sort of, more of just a conversation about a cool show.

But we do have a real roundup to get to.

So let's get to that.

I know that Brian got to see a hand-drawn animated Warner Brothers movie.

And it stars Porky Pig and Daffy Duck.

Is that correct?

Yeah.

All right. Tell us about the day the.

Or blew up.

Yeah, yeah.

The same guy. I've been hearing some good stuff about this one.

And it's kind of interesting too, like why this.

This movie made it, but like we we still don't get in the coyote, the why the coyote film.

So, but it's not.

But it's news about that too.

Yeah, there is some news about that.

Right.

It's like finding a distributor.

Yeah, they'll catch up entertainment distributed this film.

And that's who they're going to end up selling or trying to sell the why the coyote film.

Yeah.

We may actually get to see the why the coyote film.

Especially if this one, I imagine this one does pretty well, which I think it'll probably do.

Because I'm not sure what the budget was, but I'm sure it was pretty small.

But yeah, this is like an old school.

Like it's a lot of there's a lot of homage to like just

the chaos and carnage of old school and new tunes cartoons that we grew up with.

I mean, there's some like ridiculous stuff in this movie.

Like Daffy Duck.

I love Daffy Duck. He's like one of my favorites.

Like one of my favorite scenes in who Roger who frame Roger rabbit is between Donald and Daffy.

And Daffy and the pianos.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And the two like piano and ocean.

Oh perfect.

The two ducks with speech impediments are like.

Just that means.

Destching is.

But anyway, I like it was.

Daffy Duck.

So this this version of Daffy Duck.

He's kind of like old school Daffy like the original Daffy where he's like just insane.

Just bouncing off the walls, you know, always like,

hooping and hollering and everything.

Just messing things up.

Just chaos.

And then you got porky.

There's this ridiculous way they explain how porky got his stutter.

No, do they?

Oh my god.

Yeah.

That's hilarious.

Yeah.

I'm like, I'm normal.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's like everyone was like died in the theater when that part came up.

But basically like porky and Daffy kind of grew up together.

And they were like raised together by this like farmer gym.

It was like this.

All right.

The art style is so funny with like porky and Daffy look kind of normal as far as

Loon Tunes go.

And then farmer gym is like this weird different kind of art style.

Like it's just I can't even explain it.

You like have to see it because the way they animated him was just so like bizarre.

Um, and like there was a one seed where they they kind of grew up, you know,

and then farmer gym.

I guess this talk like, hey, you guys have to stick together.

You guys will always be, you know, you know, you always make it.

It was always stick together.

And he kind of like has this talk.

He like turns turns around to them, you know, and says.

Like basically says like goodbye.

Like he's leaving him.

And then suddenly he's like huge and in the sky like in the clouds.

Like it's like, did he just die?

You just like, what happened?

And like, yeah, I mean, that kind of is cartoon death.

Yeah, no, it is.

Yeah, totally.

It's ridiculous.

Like, I mean, some of it's, it's very silly, you know, I,

there are definitely some parts where I was like laughing out loud.

And there's some stuff that's just like kind of like, you know, it's rated PG.

So it is, it's pretty, I mean, it's pretty violent, you know,

as loo-tunes.

So they kind of like go back to that.

But the, but the whole plot is basically like this alien invasion kind of plot.

And it's all around this like bubble gum factory that they use.

And the whole thing is there's this like alien goo that has my control capabilities.

And they put this goo in this giant vat of gum the alien does.

And um, that's the alien in the background, right?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

One single alien in this giant ship to, by the way, um, yeah.

That's very Loon Tons.

It's, yeah, it's such a ridiculous plot like it's like this very popular gum and they're

going to release this gum globally and the this gum has my control stuff in it, you know, so.

Yeah, so the whole thing is like they're trying to like the worth this plot and everything.

Yeah. And like, Daffy's kind of conspiracy theorist and like no one believes Daffy about what's

Yeah, it's because he's already saying crap that's not really.

He's just wild and they just yeah, he's insane.

Yeah.

So he looks like a green Martian even like a full blown like, yeah, like, well, we don't say he's a

Martian. They don't say what he is, but you know, it's not definitely not related to like, you know,

modern and yeah, so very different.

Um, yeah, like the animation styles, yeah, it's great that it's like old school hand drawn,

you know, um, one actor does both Porke and, um, Daffy.

Does it sound good?

It's obviously not that blank.

No, it's great.

No, this guy, he's like, he's like the king of like animated, I mean, he can do anything.

It's kind of crazy.

Like, I've seen him on some podcast and stuff and he's just like rolls.

Oh, yes, I've seen him as well.

Yes, Eric Buzza, I think.

Yeah, yeah, he's the one that's like kind of taken over for like,

literally to his voices.

So he's like the new Mel blank basically because Mel blank was like that.

You know, he did all these voices.

So that's, and so distinctly different.

That's what's wild about what Mel blank did is that you, how do you,

how do you have a thousand characters and you can literally tell them apart, um,

yeah, every time.

Yeah, so it's like, yeah, it's not, I won't say it's like, you know, amazing,

the film.

I will say it, you know, but it is pretty, pretty goofy and silly and, you know,

just go in knowing that like some of it is aimed towards kids, but also

there's a pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty.

But it's lunaticant.

So it's aimed at every generation because they are multi-generational.

Yeah, yeah.

There is some like suggestive stuff in it too or adults.

So would you consider it worse or better than the original space jam?

Um, I don't know if it can compare the two because those are, they're very different

films because this is like all animated.

It's like this whole made up like, you know, like fake kind of like,

it's not even like a real town or anything, you know, and, and um,

and it's just these two guys, you know, it's like not the whole

nutrients gang that we see like in space jam.

Like no bugs ever shows up at all.

Like, no, yeah, no camiots.

There's porcupine daffy.

Potunias in there for like a love interest, but, right.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Yeah.

That's unique.

I like that.

I like that.

All right.

So go check that out.

I know I will as soon as I can support that too, because especially if you want to get,

if we want to see that coyote, wild coyote.

Yeah.

What was the news on that?

You guys said they're just looking to distribute it.

That's all we know.

They're proud.

They're going to, they want to sell it for like 50 million to catch up.

Entertainment.

All right.

Which is they're the ones that distributed this film.

Interesting.

Does that mean there's ever a hope for the background movie or did they really burn that one?

Oh, yeah.

I don't think.

Yeah, probably not.

Yeah, we're kind of going to see that.

That's a whole other complicated mess.

Especially since we're getting a new DCU.

I know.

Yeah.

You know, so yeah, it would be nice.

We're so close.

So close.

Speaking of which, before we give him move on to Janine's movie,

check us out here in July, right, before the Superman movie drops.

We will be doing a man of steel watch and debate, if you will.

That's maybe the best way to put that word for a review and polite discussion.

That's a way to put it.

Yeah, we're going to talk about that movie in depth is what it boils down to.

So, okay, keep an eye out for that.

Janine, you got to watch a movie this weekend that you had seen before,

but you wanted to talk about it and that's stick it.

Yes.

So my, yeah, my 14 year old nieces in town, so me and her mom are on a mission to kind of share

with her all of the films from our generation.

She also did dance and she's in cheer now, so these are kind of films that up her alley that she's

interested in watching. We started this whole process with Clueless and then we went into things

like bring it on and center stage and stuff like that. So, yes, stick it was kind of up on the

list. We were kind of just hanging out and we put it on and she was getting really into it and

kind of like a mix of fast, furious, Tokyo drift and bring it on.

That's crazy. I'm screaming. I've seen that film before.

Yeah, because I mean our opening character is a bit of a delinquent. She gets into trouble and

her community service ends up kind of teaching her a valuable lesson. And then by the end of the film,

you know, the film is a fun-team movie.

It's a fun-team movie, but we're actually kind of tackling a really interesting societal issue.

Like bring it on. We were tackling, you know, cultural appropriation.

Right. Oh yeah.

Yeah. So this film kind of ends up, you know, being this teeny fun thing, but then ends up being

like a bit of a protest movie in a really interesting way. And so that felt incredibly

topical and rousing, you know, for these group of girls who, you know, give their life to these

moves and practice and work really hard. And then they get deducted for really ridiculous

archaic things like their broad strap showing even if they did a perfect routine.

Yeah. And they're like moving around, right?

Yeah.

Yes. So ultimately they all kind of go through this whole protest where they kind of make the system

work for them by all kind of like a scratching and then letting who they think should win each

each routine go. So yeah, I loved kind of this protest aspect that comes out of this film that

you kind of think is this light thing. It's these girls kind of fighting against this kind of

screwed up system, which just felt very much like, you know, we need to see things like that right

now. And you don't expect it from a movie like this. And my niece, she did really enjoy the film,

but she, I don't think she really tapped into into that aspect. She was very much just like,

I wish I would we would see them like go to another competition at the end. Like that was all she

kind of thought about was like a wider than she was. She wasn't as as roused as she from the

kind of protest statement that this movie was how old is she? At 14. So I've ever watched her

again in 10 years. Well, she should watch make it or break it. The TV show make it or break it.

It's all about gymnasts make her like a yeah make it or break it. It's all about like these girls

trying to be like professional like Olympic gymnasts and it's like like four girls and it's like

talking about their life. I think she might enjoy the teenage girls. Yeah. She's definitely

she's definitely into films like that. We also did a little double feature with a blast from

the past as well. She's such a weird film. Yes, her and me were squooting over bread and

fries or something. We're watching we're watching the mummy next family. Oh yes nice.

Nice. Got a lot of that. Yeah. Yeah. If you don't know Jeff Bridges is in this movie so if you

need another draw please check that stick it. He's a very surprising unexpected kind of like

Jeff Bridges but it weren't I love him but in this movie it was like it was like I don't know if he had

like I don't know if it was something going on long with him or something like that but like it

it looked like he had no teeth in his mouth the entire like film. That's just like

the house. Yeah. Yeah. I think that before the gruff right. Yeah. Yeah.

The gruff he's then I'm just a pretty gruff. Yeah he was like a bit of a gruff right?

Yeah. I'm a man film and I was like I just felt like it was a character choice but I was like

I don't know if I want to put that choice but he has to have this like he has an arrogance that he

needs about him because he's he's an old gymnast himself and now he's I train Olympic gymnast.

But it's like whenever he hopped into the scene it's like he popped gum before he did it. I'm just

saying. No. No. I think you're right. I think you actually chewed gum a lot in the movie too.

Yeah. I think that could have been part of it. Yeah. Do you remember when you want to

tell her high water? It's definitely like that. It's very. Yeah. All coming in. It's like yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Vanessa Lindy's or I don't know how to say her last name but I think

that's how you say it. She was also in waiting. She played the the girl that was the hostess.

She's surprising. She's so funny. She's so funny. Yeah. She's to be. She's to be in a lot of stuff

and then I just she's kind of disappeared. She did. She just disappeared but that you know that is

the business. She's like her snobby little antagonist character. Yeah. But she's like

but she's like insecure at the same time. It's all coming from my little place of my

security. So like towards the end I enjoyed her character because when she got the little boyfriend

or whatever, I'm like she needs this in her life. She needs to make my stuff and we've had a lot of fun

with that character. We're gonna make Brian watch this movie. That's what it's boiling down to him.

If you like bring it on at all, even just a little bit, then you would like the same writer.

Yeah, I am one of those people that's like I like stick it and people are like you do. I'm like yes,

I do. And it's funny and I don't care what you say. I think I'm 99. So yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But that could also be why a lot of people, you know, avoided it.

Anyway, so I did get to law. You didn't mention a movie. So I didn't know if we were skip it.

You okay, we just want to make sure I didn't want to do that to you.

We have been going through my poster that my wife got me this 250 films poster as well as the

fact that I'm trying to watch 365 films this year. So I'm just I am just gathering movies from wherever I can.

And so this poster has a bunch of like AFI style films on it. Things that everybody should watch before

the die if you will, something like that. And I got to watch The Gold Rush, which is one of Charlie

Chaplin's most popular films, even though a lot of his stuff is really popular. And the reason I wanted

to talk about this is that my wife has been delving into these movies with me and she's been

fairly resistant to classics because they're there a lot. There's a lot there and it can be kind

of slow. But this movie doesn't matter that it was 1925. It is so funny. Like it we were we were like

cry laughing. Yeah, yeah, I mean this movie. Yeah. Which I did not expect. And it's not like I haven't

laughed at other movies he's made or even I watched the general which I told you about Brian,

which was good and there were funny parts. But this one like there was a moment where you like

like I could see my wife almost falling off the couch because she was laughing so hard.

And I don't want to say winter wear just like just go watch it. But it is essentially one of the

many Charlie Chaplin stories where the tramp or little tramp whatever you want to say character

is in another debacle. And in this case he's up in Alaska trying to hunt for gold although he never

one time picks up a shovel so whatever. But it's just it's fun, it's ridiculous, it's slapstick,

but it's not like three studious slapstick, it's a little bit more grounded. It has heart,

it's got a positive feeling, it's pretty great. And I do think if you're going to watch these

movies again, I always say this watch these short or these silent films at a little faster pace,

watch them on YouTube if you can and go to like 1.25 speed, it gives the pacing more like what we

are used to today and it makes it more palatable or palatable. But it also shortens them, so that's

nice. It's a little bit shorter. But watch this was a group because having a couple people around

and like the dialogue you guys might add in can help as well because there's a lot going on,

but you're talking about it because you're not you're only reading title cards every so often, right?

So yeah, this is a weird thing, but I'm telling you this is as funny as some of the comedies I saw

growing up in the 90s and 2000s. I thought it was that funny. So check it out. You can have it already.

All right, so we have two movies that we did come here to talk about, which is the kitchen,

which are the kitchen, listen to me, terrible with my English. The kitchen and fresh kills,

and we are going to get to fresh kills second, but we are going to start with the kitchen,

which was actually a comic book movie, which is really weird to think about, but it's a vertigo comic.

Vertigo, yeah. Which means it's grittier, you know, the boy's kind of thing, right?

If you will. Stars Melissa McCarthy, Tiffany Haddish, and Elizabeth Moss, as well as Donnell Gleason.

Donnell Gleason, I think I said that, right? Donnell. Donnell. Sorry, because it's Irish. Donnell.

Donnell Gleason.

Directed by Andrea Burloff, who also did

straight out of the Compton is the one I'd say she's most known for.

So why don't we start with Brian, who picked the movies this week and see what you thought of the

kitchen? The kitchen. Yes. So I saw this one when it first came out. So this is the second time

I've seen it. So that tells you what I thought about it a little bit because I saw it and then

immediately forgot about this movie. It has some good, I mean it's not completely terrible.

But it is kind of like, it just doesn't hit for some reason. There's certain things like

I feel like there's certain casting choices that are off. I feel like there's like some pacing

issues. And what's interesting too about like whenever we do this, I imagine it's all the time, but

when we watch two films that are going to like next to each other back to back,

like those things become much more apparent. I almost feel like this one could have benefited

from like stretching things out a little bit more and getting a little more development

with some stuff. I feel like some things are just like answered, we're like, well, this is happening

and then that's just this is happening and that just just accept it and move on and keep going.

Like they're really trying to like, you know, make it under two hours for which is like a, which can

be a thing like, you know, the shorter film, the more screenings you can get in a theater and

potentially more money. So I feel like the main cast was was pretty good.

Sometimes it's tough to watch like, Melissa McCarthy, like she's great in some parts but then

sometimes it feels yeah, it just it didn't feel like she like knew what she wanted. Yeah,

certain parts of her. Yeah, because sometimes she's very timid, you know, but then there's like,

it's like even even after moments where she had like, you know,

got a lot of stuff. Yeah, she would go tinnitus back in. Yeah. Yeah.

And also when you watch these two films too, like not to compare them because they are very,

you know, different. It's hard, and that's what the same time. Yeah, yeah, it was like

similar subject matter. But this one feels like it is a comic book to me. Like,

if you feel like watching this, I was paying more attention to like the cinematography,

which I feel like the cinematography is great. They did a good job. But it's like almost

too polished. Like it's too vivid. It's very bright. It feels like a comic book to me.

And it's supposed to be set in like 78, you know. And some of the stuff just in, I don't know,

just felt too, I don't just didn't feel real enough for me. And some of it was like kind of pulled me

out and not believable. We're like fresh kills, even like the way they do the dialogue,

which we'll talk about. But just like, it just felt like a real, like I was watching real people

do, you know, real things. And it's kind of like costumes and stages. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like they really wanted to hit home this like, hey, it's the 70s.

The 70s. Yeah. Yeah. Like a nudged, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think they thought the soundtrack would

carry them. Oh, totally. Just the needle drops alone with the self-appearance. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So if it didn't, I mean, Fleetwood Mech, I'm sure.

Swole day for you because jeans every two seconds. That's a theme. I was like, we get it.

This was reestablished in Guardians 2. We don't need this right back.

Yeah. Yeah. So like, I thought like the overall, you know, overall, it's like, it's, I think it's worth

watching. I think it's not terrible, like I said, by any measure, but it, but it is kind of

forgettable. Like once you watch it, you'd be kind of, okay. Yeah. Wait, what did we watch again?

I told you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, but I'm with you. Yeah.

La la what did you think of the kitchen?

Kind of similar feelings that Brian has. I will say I enjoyed the story more than I enjoyed the

acting. I don't think the acting was terrible. I just don't think they were in the pocket they needed

to be. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like it was like, okay, this happened. All right, that happened,

but it didn't it wasn't seated well enough for me to be like, yo, this just happened. Like,

oh my gosh. So like, I felt like it was very on the surface. Everything seemed to come very

easily to these girls. Yeah. And like it felt like there was no hardships. And then when you think

there is a hardship, it was like, well, we go kill you. I just want to be a business with you.

And then they're like, okay. And then it's like, all right.

Let's do it. And I'm just like, why wouldn't you kill the competition? Kill them and not the whole

thing is yours. You don't have to share any money. So it just it felt like they had a heavy

plot armor except Elizabeth Maugh, but everybody had. But for me, it's the most interesting

character. Right. Like, I would say acting wise, she like, no pun intended. She killed everybody.

Actually, actually, but she's the she's the she's the best actress there. And so like watching her

scenes felt like a gritty vertigo comic book as opposed to watching like Tiffany Haddish and

the best development. Yeah, I like vaccine and learning about these things. Yeah, very like,

oh my gosh, she was just like, yep, she was thinking notes and I was like, that's just like a little bit

of humor there too. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, I just I just, you know, I didn't have a bad time with

the film. I just wish that they could have been. It could have been, I felt like it could have been

way more than what it was if they would have made me just like stripped it a little bit of itself.

Like it felt like like we about to make a girl boss movie every girl go like it. They go

be one top watch what happens. And it's just like, okay. Yeah, it had like, there's like potential

there. Yeah, that's like, story is really interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It was like the greatest thing like the build up the setup. Like they getting out. What

are what are they going to do? Like all these all these type of things. Yeah. Even even

when even the moves, the some of the moves that like Melissa McCarthy's character was making

was smart like her the way she offed her husband. I get that too because you brought kids to a person

you don't know that you don't know if he's my competition or not. He could off all y'all.

And you just because you got to stay home with the kids like yeah exactly because of you.

I've been like great. I've been like feeling for sure. So like the movie had moments where I was like

you dang skip it you do it that way you you you you do it this way but it's still just overall

kind of just seen like this. There was like no heartbeat for me. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just like

this. So I think different actors except for a little bit more but I think I think Melissa McCarthy

and Tiffany had his work cast correctly for me. Yeah. And because it's like you put two

comedic actresses with a dramatic actress but that just didn't. Oh yeah. And then you're

like like it feels right the scales were like yeah. Yeah. Crazy right. So like maybe even

to the manager make them joke enough like have they thrown some jokes in there. Maybe yeah.

I did like Tiffany has just had it just like Lehighum when she like like

oh because it was just like for like a like a funny intimidation type of thing or whatever

but like I did like that but I agree if they kind of stuck to like what made them funny a little bit

because you could still be like dramatic and funny right you could still have had and they like

Elizabeth Moth did it. You know right. She did right. She was the funniest. She was the most dramatic

person and she was the most compelling person and they were like they were like there's too much of

that going get her potter here and I'm just like yeah. Yeah. It's going to be interesting to see

Elizabeth Moss and Melissa McCarthy's characters swapped or like like that. Yeah. Yeah.

Like they're yeah. Honestly, honestly, I thought that that was kind of how the film was going to go

because when she made the comment like when she made the comment activity had this character like

don't you ever threaten like Charlie again. You don't you don't threaten him like that. I was like

she might be killed everybody like like like this could have easily

started to like an assassin film with her and I would have been okay.

I don't care about the pictures. I mean, like if it was just Gabriel and Claire and

just made a movie about them, I would enjoy that movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Jimmy, what did you think of the kitchen? I know you've already gave in some of that but yeah.

Yeah. I mean definitely agreeing with everybody here. You know, I was interested to see

these two really comedic actresses play into more serious stuff but they just were not very

consistent like Ryan was saying. Yeah. And I don't think we really got to know them either.

Like on a personal level, like they just gave us kind of surface details about them and so we

don't really get invested in caring about them. Even with I think Elizabeth Moss is the character

we get to know the most. I think that's why we care about her the most and her whole relationship

with Donald Gleason. I really liked that whole plot point. I'm in Donald Gleason. I was kind of like,

here. No, they were like, Ginger's. The mom, he's not old boy that was. Yeah. Exactly. Like I was

ever seen him like that before. Right. I was like, right. I was like, right. That was the most

interesting storyline. And so when she was gone, I really just did not care anymore. And we have this,

yes. And we have this like really interesting double cross, but that wasn't well set up. So that

didn't play very well either, especially kind of even that playing into the really abrupt ending.

Like we have a bit of a standoff. And then it just kind of ends like wait, at the end of the movie,

what is that? Yeah, it was like it was like a little capping on the ghost. Yeah, it was annoying

because it was very much like, I don't trust you. You don't trust me, but let's stay a business

in the way. Okay. Okay. Yes. So I mean, a really interesting premise, a great setup. And then it

just kind of fizzled out. It just was not consistent. We didn't get to know these characters on any

kind of personal level to be in that care about them aside from Elizabeth Moss. And dare I say the

kitchen was undercooked. Oh, I love it. So I want to echo that idea that you were right that we

didn't get to know the characters very well. Had we gotten 10 minutes of getting to know these

ladies as moms and just in their day to day. Yes, they're personalized with their husband. Then the

transition would have been great. We would have seen them. Right. I think this one was like an hour

and 54 minutes. Hour 42 actually. Yeah, hour 42. They would have made it two hours like first

feeling probably would have probably would have been pretty decent. Yeah. If they would have made it

two hours because the beginning of the film was very much like here go our style. Here it is.

Here you go. Here you go. Here you go. Here you go. And then all right. And then yeah.

It also felt like stylized. They were they were borrowing from a ton of other films, which is fine.

I don't know the problem with that. But it felt like they kept trying to meet the good fellas, right?

Yeah. No, I just say it's so. Right. Right. But then they were like if we make sure that we kill 85

people on screen, that'll be raw. That'll be crazy. Yeah. It's like, okay, kill count. We've

seen it all guys. Keep killing. Kill count. Right. But even with the mother-in-law, they were

really trying to give her like this Joe Pesci moment. It was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I see what you're

trying to do. But it's like, you know, one of my biggest things about the film is that I don't

I didn't know everybody's name really. So when they were bringing up his names, I was like,

I was like, who? Because I like when she went to jail to see her husband. She's like, where's Ruby?

And I was like, which one is Ruby? I don't know who Ruby is. I don't know who's husband is.

I still don't know who he is. And they couldn't play it in two.

I'm still loading things. Yeah. Like she's black in this society and people are against her.

It was just like, it was just a point. It was like, it's pretty good. Yeah, they could have

been a mother dealing with all of this. There were things with these characters that could have

really tapped into it. Well, they didn't really show us her kids to play. Yeah, but they didn't care

to focus on any of that. So yeah, all of the personal stuff was left aside for exposition

and for style. And yeah, that's what we thought they were like, this is going to kill them. And I'm

saying, these are the ones you're focusing on, but we don't know anything about them. And the only

reason we care about Elizabeth Moss's characters because of the trauma, right? You kind of get attached

to it because of the trauma. But like even with her, there wasn't a, we just knew she got abused.

There still wasn't like anything on her background, but she would still be most compelling. But

there's still not much about her background, just like everybody else. Yeah. Because like, how did

Ruby even meet Kevin? Because I think that's his name. Law and help me. But um, yes. And what

was so special about her that made him choose her. Right. He had to hurt what his mother thought

and everyone else in, you know, and they're exciting to me. Yeah. Interesting. Like because she made

the, the quip like, I didn't love, I never loved you anyway. You were just a way for me to get to

the top because a girl, you know, black girl can't get to the top. But then when you saw him dead,

you almost broke down and cried. Yeah. That was weird. Right. I know. Yeah. The best that she gives

him. So like, so part of me was like, you, you did love him. But like, maybe if we saw something

ahead of time, it would just inform that scene better. Like, yeah. It would have been interest,

the conflict of her, like, really having to. Exactly. And it's like, yeah, exactly like this

hard ass. All right. Yeah. I was about to say that with Melissa McCarthy is what like the same thing

hers was better, I think a little better because I think part of her didn't believe they would

necessarily kill him. As much as I think she knew, just part of her walking out was still like the,

you know, the, the wife that was like, oh, my husband, right. Like, I think there was definitely like

a moment there. And she played it better. It just showed me Melissa's character and Tiffany's

character were like still weak, even though they were projecting this like, something exterior because

Elizabeth Moth was the only character that was probably down that was like, right. I'm a

shame. I'm a shakedown sub if it needs to be shaken, you know, type of thing. And those two

was just like, it's felt very postury because you go from being like, you know, this is our stuff to

be like, please don't kill, don't kill us. But it's just like, it's just so, yeah.

Can we talk about the fact, can we talk about the fact that common is in this movie, but really for no

reason? It's not a great actor. He has his avenue. No, he should kind of stay in. But when he tries to

kind of play, you know, maybe villainous or dominant in any way, it's just it doesn't.

Well, like, what is the end all be all of his character? Why do we follow the

title? Yeah, they don't do any play.

Oh, half a night. They're tired to say, every trail.

Being a bird, having him on the payroll and all that kind of stuff.

Because you don't even see how they meet that he do a thing.

He picked her up one day. Yeah, I can say, like, right, it's that because we

so see someone in the bad while she's sitting in the chair, but they don't show who it is.

And they reveal it's him. And it's supposed to be like, oh my, but I didn't

care. And I didn't even try to say the hint.

Yeah, there's no like payoff wasn't a payoff. It was like, oh, yeah, it was funny too.

When they show that scene before they reveal it's common, you know, like, they show it's just like

this giant lump in the bed. And I'm just like, right? I'm like, is she like, she watching

you? Her mother. No, I'm the same. Or she like trying to protect her mother.

What is the name? There's something with calm because I knew they were dating in real life at the

time. So I was like, oh, right. Yeah. No, I got it. I was thought about that. My brother,

like, so many emotions were in that scene. I was like, I was like, is she in the hotel room that

I'm like, is she about to kill them? Like, I thought she was in that hotel room.

She just went there like, oh, she's watching and they're going to waste up.

Adolphe, it's dance that she's trying to make him a simulation move.

Yeah. It was hard to read. Yeah.

I don't know what that was. I do what I was doing.

This whole movie feels like that though, right? The whole movie feels jarred like that.

Oh, just.

No, absolutely.

I don't know how to do that.

Also, I, I know I agree with the cinematography. I do think it's a well-crafted film.

I think it's beautifully shot. It's fine. It does. It does. It does its job. There's nothing

wrong with it. But at the same time, who the hell, why does it have to be dark? Just because it's 1978.

It doesn't mean it's a turn everything down and make it incredibly too dark to see.

I think that makes it pretty like right.

I noticed that in the preview and watching it next to Fresh Kills.

Yeah, especially when contrast to like the daytime scenes that are so vivid.

Oh, like everything's it's like like I said, to me, it felt like very vivid, like comic book.

Yeah, absolutely.

You know, so yeah.

And it felt like a comic book in this where like only certain things were brighter than other things.

Yeah, like the things that they wanted you to hit it like when they dropped all the like, you know,

I don't know what was in the bags.

I don't know what was in the bags, but the Jewish neighborhood and everything.

The blood was so bright and everything else around it was like it wasn't like mute it down,

but it wasn't as bright as the blood.

So it was like they wanted to specifically say that look at this.

That's blood.

Like, you know, very splat, kapoo-poo-pow type of thing.

Like on the screen.

But yeah, yeah.

I just, I just for something directed by a woman, star in three women,

I really felt like it could have just been handled a little bit better.

Like, I don't understand why it couldn't be handled in the same way as like good fellows or

Godfather or like just like it could have just been handled.

I felt like they made it too snappy and it needed to be more grounded.

It was just very snappy.

They cut out a lot.

No, this could be, this is a Warner Bros film.

So this could be a lot of studio interference for all we know.

I mean, there's a possibility there.

Yeah, possibly.

Especially knowing Warner Bros loves to metal.

They're terrible about that.

Hopefully they leave James going alone.

Leave him alone.

Let him do his thing.

No, I don't think he's about to.

I hope not.

I think he's proving himself.

He's made money.

Right, he's proving he can make money.

They won't buy them until he has a flop or something.

He'll have a flop or if he says something they don't like,

then they'll bother him.

All right, why don't we rate the kitchen and move on to fresh kills?

Let's go in the same order and I will try to make sure that I do this in a different order so that

nobody copies anyone.

Brian, what do you think of the kitchen?

Yeah, it's tough, but I mean, like I said, it's pretty forgettable.

So I'm gonna say a 6.5.

Yeah, 6.5.

All right, what do you think?

6.5 or are you gonna try branching?

No, no, I'll give it a 7 because like I said, I like the story.

I'll never watch it again.

Like I'll never watch it again.

But unless somebody around me wants to watch it, like I always say, like if somebody around me wants to watch it.

But I give it a 7 because like it had moments where I really did enjoy it,

it had like the story itself was really good.

Um, I radically enough I didn't see the double cross coming but like I probably should have.

But I guess I wasn't invested to care.

To what to say.

I'm not going to watch it.

No, no, no.

I don't feel like this.

I don't know.

I was just like, all right, Kelly, tell us what happened.

All right, I guess this is happened now.

Yeah.

We okay at this point, like, I don't know.

Yeah, yeah.

He's doing right now.

So, just because all of y'all messed up the neighborhood at this point.

And so, um, it just felt uncomplete in some, totally, yeah.

So, I'll give it a 10.

Okay.

First speech about I'm trying to make this neighborhood better.

And I'm like, by killing everyone, I mean, okay, like you do here.

No, like what I mean.

Janine, what did you want to rate the kitchen?

Yeah, just very underdeveloped and kind of a lot of wasted potential there.

I give it a six.

I'm going to echo that six.

I agree with the six.

It's again, I think it gets a six because there's still, there's something there.

The potential is why I get the six.

Like there are plenty of movies that get a six because they could have been something.

And I don't know, maybe one that we can stitch all the six.

To get a little bit of some of the zero in Melissa McCarthy's.

Oh, that's a whole different movie.

I'm just saying.

It may be to Roger P. Henson and Tiffany had a spot.

There you go.

I'm just saying with Elizabeth Moss, that would have been a kitchen that would have been on a

spot.

And the length so we can establish a character development.

That's the one of the things.

Get all that to go in and you've got to eat on your hands.

It didn't make you clua the comment of this.

Google.

And it's like, but it's international.

You got to give him more.

Yeah.

Oh, you got to add more.

Absolutely.

You got to add more.

I like to add more.

No, no, absolutely.

You got to add more.

You can't just stand around brooding.

That's why he got to be actually barely gave my boy lines.

I think he only had one.

Totally.

Totally.

Yeah.

Oh, he's barely in the.

Paul McCombs, I think he said he was like, let's go.

Let's go.

Let's go.

Yeah.

Let's go.

He said.

And then he got his ass kicked, right?

Like right away.

I mean, immediately.

Immediately.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

All right.

So we're going to move on to fresh kills.

This is written, directed, and starring Jennifer Espicito.

Just.

Just.

And produce.

Yeah.

She.

She put.

And she put.

And she put.

And she put.

And she put.

And she put.

I know that law had a pretty vivid reaction to this movie.

I also did.

I kind of want to just get it out of the way so I can.

Yeah, go first, maybe.

Say, yeah.

The as Brian alluded to earlier, the dialogue in this movie.

Feels like you're listening to people.

The moment where our main character has a panic attack.

And start saying, I don't know what to do.

I broke down.

I was like, oh, my god, I've literally sat and thought this

in a moment's myself.

And it like it like, it's like Jennifer reached into my soul and like,

ripped something out for me to look at.

And I was like, what the hell are you doing?

I thought this was just a mob movie.

I didn't think that I was going to feel what I felt.

And I spent a lot of time trying to deal with this movie afterward.

Which I didn't expect.

I like genuinely was like, this is going to be interesting.

This is going to be from a cool perspective.

And I love the way it kind of unfolds.

And we get to see what we know is true.

But like, we get to see the characters slowly figure out the truth.

And I liked that because it slowly lays it out for you.

Again, that slow burn that people can learn about things like with the kitchen.

I don't know. This is really, this is such a beautiful film.

Because you get to see the side of all the mafia movies that you never get to see.

Because you always see the glorification and the violence and the I'm a badass.

And I'm a, you know, I'm a made man and da da da da.

And you literally don't see any of that in this movie, which I love.

You know, it alludes to it and it talks about it.

But it doesn't show it.

And if you've seen any mafia movie, you don't need to.

It's, it's right here for you.

But that was the thing, that that moment is the thing I wanted to talk about the most,

that moment where I was like, holy shit, this dialogue feels like she sat with and listened to me

and then wrote it down.

Not about the details, but about the feeling, I guess, is a way to put that.

I will digress because I don't want to take all the time.

Let's go to the verse order.

Jeanine, what do you think of Fresh Kills?

I absolutely loved this movie.

I love seeing kind of the fallout and the burden on women in these kind of families,

because like, you know, a lot of films really kind of glorify it.

And we don't get to see how it affects, you know, the other side of things.

The women who aren't in it, but are kind of forced to have to, to be a part of it.

Rose's character, I love that we get so much visual storytelling with her in terms of,

you know, she for a big chunk of the film, it doesn't outright say how she feels about this,

but we know exactly how she feels about the purpose of violence from seeing her in juxtaposition

to other characters and kind of her face in those moments. You know, the disappointment or

somebody asks her a direct question about a situation she just stays quiet, you know,

opening the film with her being this character who just doesn't speak and has been afraid to speak,

but the performance there just kind of showing us how she feels as opposed to just outright telling

us until we get this big blow up between the two sisters. I loved what you were saying,

Snitty about the anxiety attacks and the panic attacks because I have dealt with those kind of

for the first time in the last few years, I've actually, you know, had moments like that,

so that felt incredibly relatable just how grounded this film felt. I mean, and it felt very

era-specific. We didn't need a ton of ridiculous needle drops and things like that. Like, we

felt like we were like, you don't love you now. The whole time after, like, we didn't need the

fleet wood in there. Yes. Yes, but great performances. I love getting to see the different

perspectives. Annabelle, Shura's performance really kind of resonated with me as an aunt and

really wanting to be like an advocate in a sounding board for my nieces. You know, when kind of your

parents are maybe too close to a situation or have other things to focus on and don't really see

your side of things. And the fact that she felt a lot of disappointment and shame for not being

that sounding board for her niece. I really kind of resonated with that because I don't want to be

that kind of and I want to be somebody who sees something and can be that be there for them. So

that scene was a scene that always really kind of sticks with me. But great performances looked great,

really interesting shooting scenes. I think I really like the scene in the car when they do this

really kind of circle shot of everyone around the car and Rose just kind of sat there like feeling

starting a situation. Yeah, so just just a really well-made smart film and a great, great story.

All right. What do you think?

Give me a moment. This film messed me up in the best way because um okay a little background on me.

Just just a real quick little background on me like I didn't grow up in a mob family. Okay,

but my dad did do things very similar to the lead actor's dad in this film. And so like I've

been a part of a similar type of life. And I am the youngest child. And I felt like I always had to

keep my mouth closed and keep people's secrets and and not say things, which is probably why I talk

so much now. You don't have very much. Thank you.

So it's like just seeing like the the wear and tear on the mom like my mom went through a lot. I'm

gonna put her business out like that, but she she did go through a lot and I witnessed her go

through a lot and I witnessed her strength in trying to hold a family together when it felt like

everything around her was like it's going to break. It's going to you know disintegrate

her friend of yours. So like this film just hit me in a place especially like the last like few

minutes of like when she's now an adult like her sister's gone. She's like she's an adult. She's

like raising her knees and then like her dad comes back and like oh we're supposed to act like

like when she had that big blow up and I tell you I was like I was uncontrollably sobbing. I was

like I couldn't control myself with with the emotions that I felt because like not only

did I fill them for her but I felt them for like my younger self, my current self like I guess I

had some stuff that needed to be brought up that wasn't brought up in my years but like I don't

know this character and I'm just a character and so this film was like it was beautifully made.

The two hours were used magnificently because I didn't realize it was two hours. So the

pacing was just amazing. And every actor hit their mark was living in these characters. So from

an acting standpoint for me, it felt like a master class to watch all these people like just be

in their element especially Jennifer Esposito. I've always been a fan of Jennifer Esposito and I

don't think that'll ever stop. Emily Bader is now on my radar. I got to go watch the things that she's

done because this is my first time. I know she's been in some things. I looked her up but I haven't

seen them. So this is my first time seeing her. I love Odessa. She's a visceral type of actress.

She puts herself into like, she just puts like 100% everything she does. So like, it was great seeing

her back on screen. Like this film for me was just this was crazy big shout out to Jennifer because

she not only wrote it directly produced it like she she put her like what she like what

Bryce says she put her house off a collateral right like she she like mortgageed out her house.

She's on the movie like that's how much she believed in this movie and you can see that heart you

can see all of that in that in this movie. You can see like all her blood sweat and tears and like

I just wept for this girl because in a family in which you felt different because I brought this

film up to my mom because I want my mom to watch it and I probably have her do a review about

what she's done because I want her to watch it. I was like I used to ask my mom all the time when

I was a kid was I adopted because I never felt like I was supposed to be in this family. I

didn't feel like I was like I couldn't resonate with anybody in my family. So watching her

be very outside but inside of a family that she felt kind of uncomfortable and it just it's just

it was like she wrote this about like a sliver of my life and then just added a mob twist to it

type of thing. So like so I think fresh kills is I can talk about it on day but I won't. Yeah.

That's awesome. I love it. Brian I know you you were a huge advocate for this film. You were talking

about this film especially when it was going up for hopefully the way I found it because of Brian.

You were the reason I found it as well. You don't really come out. I was on it.

Yeah well like yeah I mean yeah it's it's incredible like this is only my second time seeing it but

yeah it it is a very surprising like it hits you and you do not get coming. Yeah.

God like it's like even like like talking about right now and I don't know why like I have no

there's no like connection for me as personally as far like especially not as much as like

law does but but for some reason there's a universal thing in this movie that Jennifer hits

on and like man if I wasn't ballin again at the end of this watching it's like because I was like

a wreck the first time I watched it I was like yeah what is happening what like right

I was confused yeah yeah like yeah because it's just like and it's at the same point in the movie

and he goes like fuck Brian doesn't say fuck on the show very out I'm just saying

no yeah it is it is really just yeah and actually in film like I Jennifer esposito and I were like

became mutuals on tiktok somehow she like thought you have good content

just like okay but this is before she was like making you know like making so the

but things run her way and she would like kind of like hint at things and talk about things so

I was like okay she's like gonna do this yeah yeah then it like went full force and I was like

all in on like you know back and in trying to support as much as I could you know just like

sharing things along and then especially when she was like making the film and then when it

was finally released um I mean I can only imagine this has probably been like two three years

of her life um yeah um just trying to get this thing out and like nobody like wanted it that was like

still like uh which I don't understand and like this thing in age like how was I mean when we have

like Catherine Bigelow's out there making action movies and like all these other great women

filmmakers who like have proved their worth like why is this you know and it turns out to be

this correct yeah it turns out to be this incredible film like you know like everyone said like

the pacing could not be more perfect more perfect absolutely um absolutely yeah and the way like

scenes are shot like there's things of like people are talking over each other you know like

and it's it's just the dialogue feels like real you know um like

Connie and Rose like Rose is so perfect but but there's Connie though too to like play

off the end of the year right yes and it's just like and there's just so many themes in this movie

I think that's why like hit just this idea of like you don't have a voice like you don't have

any agency you know you just have to like there's things about like the patriarchal you know ideas

and a doctoration there's like misogyny all kinds of stuff like this I mean like yeah

the first two is character in this she she's stuck she's lived life she has to make the best

like yeah she's like I'm in it yeah she's like I'm in it this is it for me I mean yeah there's nowhere to go

from here yeah and then you have this comedy loves it yeah yeah she's like and she only loves like a

certain aspect of it right she's like yeah still this wild child and like loves the like the like

action of it but she literally wants to be like her dad's like right so like she wants to be her

dad's money like she wants to be and he keeps like what he does for her he does for like the nephew

and like overshadows what you done like I felt that from her too like even though she's a wild

child it was just like like why would you do this you give us a car on the same day right even in

the same 10 minutes like not even like not even like you know could have brought the car

tomorrow and be like hey I want your cousin yeah yeah it's just yeah it's his whole thing of you

I think which they you know they lute you like there was a miscarriage and you know it was like

insane but and like and um Janine talked about the scene with Annabelle Shiora and her like

like every actor gets their moment in this and that moment near the end you know when she says

the thing that really the thing yeah that's really I saw what you were feeling and I didn't do anything

well the thing that really spoke to me was like to me it wasn't that you didn't have anything say

is that you had so much to say exactly yeah that broke me that broke me because that's how I felt

I felt like I had so much to say but I just it was easier for me to just don't say anything

yeah because you yeah you don't want to ruffle the feather yeah yeah it seems to be fine I guess like

so I was just so when she said that like I was just like I don't think I have any more water in my

eyes like I don't I can't lose it there's there's something said about family in this movie that is

it goes to all families it's not just the mafia style that you are expected to toe the line in

your family and if you don't you're out and that's what black sheep feel and this movie is about

the black sheep exactly how she literally is a black sheep that's not known to some degree she's

stayed so lost that scene the scene that she didn't want to be even like kicking the people

off her sisters you know they're not sure she didn't want to she didn't want to right she did

right she's got this whole speech about family which I felt like every person in that

family knew she was different knew she was the one that would eventually get out and try to

keep her there right there would you like I got to be here if I got to be here you got to

well and there's I think her naivety is what we see through the film because when we get to see

that the bakery is a front because it's oh yeah it's a front right yeah she's don it's

dawning on her her naivety about that is something that we get to watch unfold yeah well I also feel

like it's it's not necessarily there's some night night activity like to it but there's also like

she has an awareness though she's like doesn't fully trust or

you know her dad a whole time so she knows like no this is there's something else to this you don't

just give your kids a bakery right because it's it's like it'll also be like a white cousin right in the

base nobody goes you know right but yeah well I think there's naivety of all the characters to

something yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

oh yeah no she's just all that dad and like it rolls and it's like it started with her being

little and not like kind of being sheltered from it in a sense yeah like him asking her when

she's little do you trust me to fly this plane this metaphor of this right absolutely like when she

doesn't answer yeah yeah it started off with the trust like yeah yeah yeah that's my dad that's my

dad whereas Connie didn't get out of that's my dad rolls she's got out of the hole like that's my dad

but like yeah it's some stuff going on and like I had to like I think when I turned I don't know

maybe in my early 20s I finally saw who my dad was like who I her whispered about who he was

where I would I would just I would like not but see I said something I'd be like no he's not

that he's fine like that's I'm defending somebody then I'm absolutely 1000% wrong about

event to have the wall pulled from under my eyes by physically seeing him in a certain space

it broke me as a kid so when she finally like yelled at him at the table it broke me it like because

I believe that it was like she was saying things that I wish like I did end up saying before my

dad died but I wish I would have said it earlier yeah for louder louder in my life yeah so like

just to watch her slow realization of like because I had those moments in my head too of like

people saying stuff about my dad like when the kids was saying to her like oh so you know

your dad paid for you to do this oh we all know he's not an honest man like things like that

you know that that stuff sticks with you and then when you finally see it you're like it's been

here this entire time and I just yeah right you get a sick feeling in your stomach when you

make those realizations right you get that like at the top of your stomach like yeah which is why

when she saw him on the news but she was having a lot of your russos out here it's not even

it's not the same lorizo it doesn't matter you're gonna write it right it could be the

pruddy kid you know who knows right the master craft the master craft that Jennifer Espicito did

though even with the foreshadowing because I love that Connie is holding her sister and doing the

airplane right they're doing the airplane and then we get the airplane right and we get the subtle

little things that you don't connect until you're done with the movie and you're like oh yeah

so good I wanted it to keep going after she had her in the bag and she looked at her mom and her mom

she just gave us her that understanding as upset as her mom probably was she didn't

I want her to go she understood she had to because it was a generational thing right like the

aunt couldn't leave yeah man like the aunt knew she wanted to get her out like the aunt wanted to do

that that was the aunt was Rose right in there on sister dynamic yeah which is why she's like

Kanye is so much like her mother because she's been through that dynamic already right and like

just thinking about that scene again now I'm already ready to cry again like it's so

about wishing walked away with her knees I was like okay we go into the airport I just didn't want

to film the end I was like I'm right here four hours Jennifer okay this should have been four hours

we need Rose's story yeah that scene that scene where she does finally you know it's like

1998 and the dad is back when she finally like just unleashes all this stuff and also it's like the

time when we like hear her cuss more like we don't really hear say anything like really harsh but

and then like that moment I was actually like like rooting for her too and I was like

yeah it's fucking tell him you know what I mean like I don't have all this stuff and like something

that was different for me this time though watching it was like I actually got kind of emotional

watching the scene where Connie is about to get jumped or she's getting jumped yes and she was

getting there and yeah and then Rose has to get in there like I got emotional during that part

but I didn't the first time I watched it but for some reason there was something else going on

there yeah the connection I think you started to sense it and the

what her sister much she's willing to kind of get a violent moment for her to have to yeah and

this is why she really said yeah she was watching a mess out of that girl she's really well

they were both doing a great job but even her crying when her sister went after her and was like

I don't I don't like you like that broke Rose like she did not like hearing her sister say

yeah you know what I kind of broke me too because like nowhere in this should you feel this way

about Rose like nowhere nowhere in any roses a decent person like she's he's there for you in any

way she can be there for you and you're even her accusing her of like writing the father

we can't find exactly what it was or you didn't defend him I'm gonna kick your ass get out

walk home yeah and it's like it's I don't believe in protecting your family by any means necessarily

when they are the ones that fall right like I just don't know that's perfect the line that she

says to him who's gonna protect me from or us from you right like yeah exactly there's so

many great like yeah I know yeah well you could see that actor reflecting like he was doing great

job oh my god she would be all the forever face like yeah I was like yeah

you saw her go like I was like that's some real schnavay you can you show us the sleeve now come on

we know that yeah yeah we're like continuity be damned well there's no continuity

yeah right yeah yeah no that's acting no like awesome a fart goes in the air keep it going like you

that this is it was too good to waste that yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm shocked I looked up obviously

an IMDB which we don't count these but unfortunately this is what people see when they go to look up

a movie so as much as people like doesn't matter it matters unfortunately because people are going to

judge whether to even put a movie on because there's too many movies to watch which means that you

have to pick and choose based on ratings unfortunately the fact is it's a 5.9 is criminal like it's

criminal I don't ever follow I don't know who actually follows IMDB's ratings there's there always like

lower than most for some reason I don't agree it is a bit lower but if you look go to the letterbox

it's three six which is still the seven essentially seven one I will right now

right now

you feel me now it's probably an IMDB 90s

well it's a combination of what critics think so it's going to be a better score for a film that's

which already like on the other side loves and it's like all right watch your movie enjoy it

but fresh kills is the kind of movie that I think cinephiles will gravitate towards because it's so

yes neither is so good 93% that's good yeah an audience score is 93% on Rotten Tomatoes which is weird

which means that it didn't get bombed on Rotten Tomatoes but somebody probably bombed it on IMDB

to like bring the score down which is another problem that we keep facing

they're like a woman film I don't know I don't know I don't know if this film

got out there as much though like because I mean she had no money for marketing you know

so I don't I don't yeah I don't know I mean that it's totally possible that's happened but I just

know like IMDB's ratings usually tend to like gravitate lower for almost all films across the

board for some reason so I like never trust IMDB's ratings yeah that's true that's true

yeah and it hasn't gotten a lot of better yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean she was doing like

fun like stuff on TikTok like all the time sharing anybody's videos who were talking about it

like yeah yeah yeah I watched it with my dad and had him yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

oh that's right it falls asleep for every movie stayed up the whole time and really

I mean boom that's why I got 90% because dad stayed did awake that stayed away yeah so yeah okay so

user rating on Fandango says 4.04 which is that's out of five that's not terrible okay well

anyway you slice it I can spell like a lot of people don't use IMVB I mean I'm not saying a lot of

people don't but like in the grand scheme I use it as just a like info and info I don't use it for

poll of ratings is IMVB. That's fair and that's fair and I'm glad you guys are saying that because I

don't use I typically would use rotten tomatoes because I know that it's an amalgamation of all the

critics and I'd rather hear what a group of critics say so I can kind of gauge and even then I don't

trust it 100% because there are plenty of movies that are like it's 90 and I watch it like what are

you guys talking about or the other way around where people smash on a film and then I love it

yeah but that's why I love film because that's why love film because like somebody's like

somebody's four can be your seven or eight or something like that you know what I mean like

my taste for my taste and sometimes everybody's taste will align but it's sometimes they don't

because I still think Super Mario Brothers is a phenomenal film wait the Bob the Bob Haskins one

like that you know and there's a nostalgia factor there right where you watch when you're

young and I started to realize it's a terrible film but in the best way I've realized now that after

we watched Space Balls I've kind of come to conclusion I already said rewatch films after

10 years or that you watch when you were a kid that you didn't like that and I want to put

an end of that not watch them if you didn't like them if everyone else said it was great

and you didn't like it rewatched the film because you probably will be surprised after 10

years or later but I also decided I don't think I'm gonna watch any of the films from my childhood

anymore because I just don't want to do it to myself I just I don't want to be like oh that was

good and now I have this weird feeling about it and it's not as wonderful as I remember because

if I had stopped watching Space Balls at 30 they would still be a 10 like it would still sit in

a 10 in my head now you watch it you're like yeah now I don't think I'm gonna watch it again

I feel bad because like my brain now just like this was hot for you

yeah but you know I also like TV's meeting the turtles but that movie still hits like that's what it is

like that righty 91 still hits I want them to go back to that they ever create more like they

would do more another like live action T&M and see I need them to be back in the in the costumes

I need you back in the you know the animatronics would be better now

I don't need the CGI no offense to them you take the thing is they could like supplement the suits

with CG like like they do like Iron Man like that we do that and like that'd be a good mix

and it'll look more fluid that way like it'll be cheaper let's just admit that practical effects

for some reason are still cheaper than digital effects it's it's just well probably because you

can't always be well Jurassic Park still looks good in this from 93 although don't watch it in 4k

it doesn't it doesn't look as good if you get too high res unfortunately but I don't think

they were thinking about 4k resolution when you made that movie wasn't even a song no well

shot in the cell right so it means it's going to be as good as the film quality was right no well

the film you can go up as you know pretty large as far as like that's the beauty of film is like

the resolution only like you can blow it up basically pretty large without losing like resolution

for it's different with film like and because you're not dealing with pixels right you know so

so it could go to the 4k and be fine you know I think it just the reason it doesn't

work is you can start to go it's like watching Star Wars in the 2000s the original stories you

you start to see the mat lines that you may have yeah I don't know if it's the resolution

you're right it might be the like the digital versus the real like putting it on I don't know

it I noticed the dinosaurs for the first time in the 4k version when I did not before

and it could just be that I watched it again and I'm older and it's a refresh rate set to fret

no I have it set exactly like it should it's 24 frames like I don't miss around 24

hurts not oh miss around yeah I don't I'm the first time I saw a digital television and I was

watching King Kong on it and it looked like a soap opera I was like what are they doing what

are they doing because they didn't have circus it didn't have it set right I know I just

mentioned an like archaic thing that nobody remembers yeah I have loved circuit city

well more like Jeffers peace no no but I can't show up generous procedure yeah I'm gonna

we're Brian is right let's bring a brag around to fresh kills any final thoughts you guys would

like to bring up about for watch it yeah watch it I do wish I could own

a physical copy of it like I didn't like I think it did yeah yeah it got a displeased

for I think I got a blue ray release actually I haven't seen that but I asked her about I asked

her about the shift this was like years or like not years but this was like

early after I saw the movie I asked her I was like hey are we gonna think what doing a physical

release and she was like like I don't know if there's because like that cost money you know to do

so hopefully like you know we'll get one out there but but you can't purchase it digitally for sure

but yeah I hope she gets to make more stuff

absolutely you know so I mean this is a pretty great knockout apart first time first time out so

I think I think the those actors benefited from her being an actress for so many years

absolutely yeah like she's able to bring that I feel like most I feel like really good directors

are actors themselves or at least have the mechanics and like what the actors do

yeah right and you can see it in like the direction you can see it in actors and their performance

you could all I can sometimes I've always felt like a disconnect between actors and

director because I'm like something they work in here yeah yeah but this was just like

or like that was the take you chose like no for real I was like there wasn't another one or you

don't or you don't do a second take what are you doing wait at least do a few you know see what

you want some variations you can find what fifth best you have a director no one thing I don't like

is directors that don't I feel because I don't I can't say whether it's 100% or not but I feel

don't stand up to their lead actors so it was like you'll let your lead actor do a thing and I'm like

that didn't work all right were you afraid to tell them yeah like were you afraid to tell them

that that didn't work or you if you've ever watched any of Kevin Smith's I know it's a little

aside but it's relevant you've ever watched his like his evenings with he does one where he talks

about what happened when he made the Bruce Willey movie cop out yeah and he said that working with

Bruce Willis was the worst experience of his entire career he hated even though he like don't

meet your heroes kind of a thing like because he was a nightmare to work with because he was so

entitled as an actor that he was like what are you doing director you're gonna do what I want you

to do it's like all right director director I'm sure the shoot like I don't know it's so it can

there can be so many things that can cause problems and then I think part of what I always forget

is that there are moments that everything for this film obviously lined up everybody did their

personal lives lined up everything please if you have personal life stuff and that comes to set

it can throw the entire movie off oh totally right so yeah yeah I don't see this or physically

in all by the way you know what it is because most actors will use that in the scene it could probably

make it look good yeah depending on the actor absolutely absolutely yeah

but this is like actually casting awesome awesome great like everything was was there like

and like and even like from a from like a cinematography perspective to especially compared to

the kitchen were for me it just felt like pop and polished and yeah you know this was like

just like someone with a camera in there you know there's a lot of handheld stuff going on in here

but also felt like too like the like camera didn't necessarily know where you know they were

gonna like when right roses in the bedroom finally just had it and she's like starting to pack stuff

you know like if all the camera was just kind of like trying to keep up with her and we were like

it was right it was yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

but it's almost like we're standing in the room trying to keep up with her right and that's why

that yeah that to that sense the attention yeah yeah so I was just like excellent like every single

aspect you could also there's a funny thing I know some the credits too was I don't know if this

is just how it is now off to look at other credits but or if this is a choice that Jennifer

Esposito made so a lot of times she did have a lot of women on her crew as well but normally there's

so there's two positions called best boy electric and best boy grip that's like a traditional

like title you know it comes the harkens from like you know old old days you know of like the

studio system of the best boy electric grip of course was like dominated by men that's not in

there it's just best electric and best grip so someone in there yeah I was like oh okay like what if

that was a choice so yeah that's not it is now you know I mean no that's not it's fun that is cool

that's that's different for once yeah all right so I was just informed we are out of time so we

should wrap up and do our our final ratings of the film and then we will be back two weeks from now

we're gonna take a spring break if you will so we'll go in the same order I guess that means

I'm first I'm gonna give this a nine I think this movie is epic I think it's well-made well-acted

well-really really well-written and I think if you haven't watched this movie you're doing yourself

into service just it sounds like be prepared to get hit in the head with some emotions so yeah

Janine yeah I think in I don't know unfair or not in juxtaposition to watching this with the kitchen

it's changed my score and my original letterbox score was four stars and just seeing a film that

had a bigger budget had you know bigger name actors in it but the same opportunity to tell a really

interesting impactful emotion story about women in this field in the mob and kind of drop the ball

and this film very smaller smaller name people smaller budget all of that and and end up being so

impactful yeah that actually kind of changed my score so I would give this film a 10 I mean

I was perfect for me yeah I don't know if you've rated much a 10 on this show before

I don't think so I don't think so you've kept it very like nine nine and a half yeah so yeah

that's awesome that's awesome law um well obviously this film wrecked me also I just want to give a

shout out to the costume and makeup on this film because it's so great to me and I think it's

really good that like every time like Rose closed her eyes she wakes up it's a different year like

that's kind of how they kept transitioning through things like she kind of like go to sleeping wake up

type of thing um I give I give this a 10 this was great I'll watch this another rare thing I'll watch

this a lot I like this like if something has me visibly like like covering my mouth and trying like

tears just running down my face uncontrollably I am giving it a seven you feel me like

it's too emotional for that right exactly yeah all right Brian last word with you yeah

I will say like we mentioned it before the show started but like one of the beauty one

another great thing about this show was like when we watched films back to back there's other like

connections that happen and Annabella as she or is it was like I did not plan that I'd

totally put that in the kitchen honestly look like she stepped out of one and just like

I don't know what the whole thing was like a little year ago.

It was almost five years apart.

They're the same universe.

They're the same universe.

Exactly.

I was trying to be good.

Could I just show like how can we make these the same world like she's the same character

and both.

Yeah, I'm sure it's her.

We'll turn on a block.

You know she's heading somewhere she's heading to a deli like a favorite deli like her

head.

There you go.

She's in the same.

I mean they're both in New York so.

Yeah, it was.

Yeah, I was like like very vocal out loud.

I saw she came up like.

Oh my god.

I forget this.

See for me.

I saw the kitchen first.

So I was like, okay, cool.

Oh, yeah.

So that's all praise.

I wish I would have watched him the other way around.

I wish I would have watched the kitchen first.

Yeah, because it would have been like.

Yeah, I think the kitchen was worse for it.

Anyway, go ahead, Brian.

Absolutely.

So that's how they cleanse that I got.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's a 10 for me.

It's pretty.

I mean,

if it's going to wreck me both times and I know already, you know,

like at the exact same point to like what?

How did you know what you were talking about?

Right.

The same way the first time.

Yeah, exactly.

So you're like, it's becoming part of you almost like.

Yeah, right.

It was like surgical precision.

Like this is where Brian's going to cry every time.

Right there.

It's a time stamp.

That's why.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I didn't know that fresh kills was the name of an estuary,

which then became the name of a dump, which then of course is the known for why statinol and smell so bad back in the day.

So that was interesting.

Yeah.

But that's just a little side.

That said, this has been episode 23 of the real study season four.

We will be back in two weeks with some fantasy comedies in the 80s.

So check us out in a couple of weeks.

Otherwise have a great evening and watch more movies and follow us on everything.

Join the conversation.

The real conversation.

You can't, you know, if you can't take the heat, get out the kitchen, you know, type of deal.

And don't watch it.

Because it's undercooked.

Yeah.

Don't watch it.

It's crazy.

Do you think it's good?

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